Sunday,
May 18, 2008 at 6:42am
I
don’t really know where this will go, but I think I wanted to
include sex and the god concept somewhere. Let’s just start with
sex. What makes it either really important or a fringe benefit to
people? I’m rather confused so I’m using this as an open forum if
you’d like to chime in. Personally, I think there’s so much more
you can get from a person through talking or those understood looks
than just sex alone. That doesn’t detract from any fun you may have
in such times, but I would argue that having sex barely scrapes the
surface of any real sort of relationship. I mean think about it, I’m
sure there are plenty of people that would say something like “O,
it’s just so special when you feel like you’re in love” but
then have they ever just been so freaking horny at the right time
with a horse cock of a guy who would pump them like a juicing madman
with a shotgun? Going the distance or making you sore doesn’t
translate into how much they really love you. Please. Willing to swab
out your mouth after he’s just blown it down your throat….ya, I
had three people vote that was okay and indulged in….may translate
as part of the “love” for them, but aside from being completely
grossed out and unable to laugh when I bring it up, I’m not buying
it. And then you have the opposite end of the spectrum. Not
necessarily wanton flings, but people who definitely don’t think
anything beyond a good, or random and unexpectedly bad, time between
people. The divide isn’t always between religious beliefs or not
either, which is why I find the question rather intriguing. I mean
there’s all sorts of intellectual reasons like being smart to be
wary of diseases or pregnancy, but those are generally in the clear
if you can remember to wrap up and ask for the test results if you’re
in college. I’m really tired of hearing “It’s just a personal
choice…..” bull crap. People pull that about anything they don’t
have a good or bad reason behind why they think something. It really
gets old. Everything is a personal choice. Thanks for just
highlighting a fact and going nowhere. Let’s pretend like there are
reasons and feelings we get before we do or do not do something and
discuss those. I have one friend for example who would face so much
b/s for hooking up with her boyfriend from her religious friends. Old
story right? All I’m thinking is, duh! What the hell else do
boyfriends and girlfriends do? One of those fun facts about our
country is the highest rates of sexual related crimes in the world.
In Asian their fucking eels and we’re barely making it to horses,
and while I’m hoping neither sound too appealing to you, there’s
a lesson to be learned in sexual repression. I watched this thing on
VH1 too about how the 60’s went….ya, those people and sex. But,
there was still something underpinning that theme which I believe
much of our country is ignoring or forgetting. There is a true sense
of freedom, self expression, and self value if able to accept
yourself enough to not be (cliché) so uptight. No, this doesn’t
mean you should start randomly screwing people in the street, though
admittedly I’d probably watch if I had nowhere to be, but I believe
this is yet another thing in which not enough people fully think
about beyond “well, because.”
When it comes to the whole
religious aspect, I can only think of one relationship that has
lasted for like three years where I’m all but assuming the drive
downtown hasn’t been taken and that is assuredly because of the
religious mindset. Now in this one instance I’m glad I believe
this, but that’s for purely biased reasons you don’t need to
concern yourself with. I think it’s funny to hear about the Jesus
stories that include him with a wife and people thinking about him
getting down. Then it’s like “Aye, wtf man, all this time I’ve
been thinking I’ll burn for eternity for getting my rocks off and
turns out you still got yours?” Another thing for those sex can
wait advocates is whether or not their getting themselves off. I bet
it’s like waiting so long that it becomes a revelation and just
translates into another religious experience. “I came 7 feet across
the room square into the middle of His forehead and knew it was a
sign.” Then you eventually find out your wife’s a squirter and
you all but fall to your knees in thankful tears right there. I just
like to think about what’s going on mentally. I’m focused on
those empirical facts and such, what can be proven to be going on in
those kinds of minds. Obviously, whether it be through tradition or
iron wills, women appear to be better at coping and remaining
productive, but what of those poor males? It was simply funny to hear
of my uncles friend who thought of joining a seminary and had to
leave because he was getting hit on too often. Not implying, just
saying ;). That whole discussion about the sanctity of marriage comes
up then. Not to sound like countless comedians, but give me a break.
“Yes, I want to be so emotionally and financially attached to this
person for so long that it becomes basically unbearable to live w/o
them, even though I know one day I may come to hate everything about
them or they could break my heart and exist as if I never had.”
Sign me up. Makes bleeding on their bed sheets all the more sacred
then right? Bigger risk translates to more importance or something.
There’s a difference between having sex with someone and
getting mercilessly fucked and degraded by them as well. You can do a
boyfriend you like. You having a train run at you at a party you
won’t remember, is borderline slutty. But that’s just my opinion.
When it comes down to it, I think people should just be more
lighthearted about the whole thing. I mean it’s like I’ve said
before, God just wanted a BJ from Mary, drenched her tits, and then
she a took few finger fulls and worked it around inside. Jesus is
just the byproduct of selfish baby mama drama. You know why he
disappeared from 13-30? His whole life was her bitching about child
support an unanswered calls. God didn’t stop prayer from working
because he doesn’t exist, he just had to cut her off somehow. Let’s
be logical about this. First chance he got Jesus hitched a donkey and
was like screw this. Now you’re probably thinking “Nick, if God
was going to cum on someone, don’t you think it’d be a little
obvious and more grandiose than say, Peter North?” Of course, and
very insightful. But you must remember, God’s invisible, therefore
just like when people say “I can feel it in my heart” Mary said,
“Well I bet this isn’t melted marshmello on my tits.” Though
having came from heaven my money is on it being much much sweeter
than our sin juice of today. And you wondered where diabetes came
from, duh.
You ever get left field of what you were originally
talking about and start getting creative? Anyway, with that whole
It’s a personal choice business, it only resonates with how people
will say “You’re not talking about my God or not referring to my
personal relationship.” Whether you want to pawn off your bad
answer on a god or not doesn’t stop you from pawing off the answer.
The “spiritualists” of today will always talk about Dawkins as
mischaracterizing what most Christians of today believe. I think it’s
important to elaborate on the fact that there is no such thing as
“most Christians” believing in anything beyond one statement. “I
have a personal relationship with Jesus.” All this translate to me
of course is “I have (perhaps)a lot of inner dialogue going on and
the other voice in my head came from the parts of the bible I like
and remember.” It was funny to watch a panel of people discuss
where Dawkins was wrong, one guy talking about how true the Koran is
and what Mohamed had to go through in his life, the next guy saying
the same spiel about Jesus and the bible, and then the “spiritualist”
who frequently had to state that her notion of god wasn’t about
what she could prove, just that inner conviction. I’d just like to
state for the record, if it was totally acceptable for people to act
on their inner convictions, and then feel totally happy and convinced
they are right, this would be a shit world for what I would do alone
let alone people en masse. I want people to realize that saying
anything about Jesus, a god, “beliefs,” “personal choice,”
etc. are non answers. If you use these you haven’t gone far enough
or learned anything about yourself. News flash for anyone willing to
believe I’m not ridiculous for telling you as such, you probably
won’t find “happier” answers, but they will at least be more
true than the vapid excuses above. It’s like when someone kicks a
dog because it crapped in the house. They didn’t kick the dog
because it crapped in the house, they kicked the dog because uncle
Steve touched them when they were a kid. Your weird stare at the
analogy aside, please for the sake of humanity and intellectual
honesty, find out where you’ve been touched.
Updated
about 6 months ago
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
11:24am on May 18th, 2008
"but I
would argue that having sex barely scrapes the surface of any
real sort of relationship."
Couldn't agree with you
more there. I personally don't believe in just having sex with
anyone, and we actually has a discussion about this in the
lounge. Without bringing religion into the picture, for me and
a few others in the discussion, sex is very emotional. It's
just not something we want to do with anyone, we want to do it
only with someone we really love. As for why I feel that way,
I'm really not sure.. the thought of fucking any random hot
chick is repulsive to me, but when i think about it with a girl
i've been with for a long time, and really truly love...
it's... i don't know how to explain it.
On the other
side, others (like 99% of people?) find it to just be really
fucking fun (pun intended). They have no emotional attachment
to sex, and are willing to do it with anyone simply because of
the physical pleasure it brings.
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
11:28am on May 18th, 2008
Apparently
my comment was too long, so i must continue here.
If i
were to address the issue of religion, I know the bible says
not to do it until your married, but there are also passages
regarding what is sin. In these passages it's kind of vague and
basically sort of says that sin is anything you do that deep
down you know is immoral. Know, for someone going around to
parties and fucking drunk girls, deep down they know this is
immoral. They might not care, but they know it is. They know if
they went and told a bunch of other people, half of them would
punch them in the face. (i'd be one of them for the record).
Now, if two consenting individuals are doing it just because
it's fun, and there's no real emotion involved, the church
would without a doubt call that sin. I'd disagree, however,
because really I can't find anything morally wrong with it
except that "the bible says so", which is a HORRIBLE
reason to do or not do anything, even for a religious zealot.
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
11:35am on May 18th, 2008
If it were
two people who were truly in love, had been together for a
while, etc etc.. i could actually see many members of the
church agreeing that is not a sin. I find this strange
considering by their book they should be sticking to that
"bible says so" bit, but it gives me some hope that
they aren't completely retarded and mindless drones.
Trying
to think as to why the bible says to wait until your married, I
really find only one logical explanation (assuming they didn't
have the same disease issues back then): to prevent children
out of wedlock, which even in todays society very often grow up
with issues (and arguably as do many children raised in a
single parent home via divorce). Assuming that's the reason,
and even factoring in disease, we have ways to prevent both
things (and even undo some of them after the fact). So,
logically at any rate, i find no reason to even consider this
on a religious stand point, and feel you should only consider
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Nick
P.
wroteat
5:48pm on May 18th, 2008
Thank for
very much Mr. Bowman for an actual answer. Ladies and gentlemen
who read this can use it as a shining example. I don't know how
wrong some people would see themselves fucking those drunk
chicks though, there are enough doosh crowds that would all but
inflate the acceptance and ego of the guy coming back with the
stories. I wonder if perhaps that same type of connection of
feeling can still be achieved by those 99% who can just doing
it for the physical reasons when/if they were to experience it
with someone they thought they were in love with. Major focus
on one girl totally detracts/kills what you see yourself
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