[214.9] Who's Really Deceiving

I just got done watching “The Obama Deception” by Alex Jones. There are a ton of thoughts rushing through me right now so if this is insanely disjointed or seemingly random, my bad.

I want to state first that I don’t agree with motivation through fear. When I watched this documentary, fear is the most resounding feeling I thought they were running with. I didn’t feel enabled, necessarily more informed about something specific, nor told how to do such abstract things as “get my liberties back” or properly juxtapose the histories of Stalin, Hitler, and Mao with Bush and Obama. It really does a disservice to a cause to draw such dramatic analogies of complex historical examples and say, “just go do your homework.” It doesn’t help your cause to have someone who may or may not know something about economics or the early history of our country, and also call global warming a sham or conspiracy. Yes, I will question their judgment and perspective much more because scientists not so motivated by politics and greed across varying fields and countries concur independently a fact not dictated out of a fearful and distrusting perspective.

With that said, some ideas the documentary presents do seem to make sense to me. For example, I have no problem believing there are a handful of rich people with all sorts of interests and future goals. I have no problem believing they don’t really care if I live or die. In the documentary it’s referred to as the Bilderberg Group. These are alleged as the people who cause financial crisis, start wars, and swallow the world in debt. I don’t like feeling that this isn’t hard to believe either. Do you remember when I asked why someone can’t just be “stupid” or “immature” they have to go on and compile it with a host of actions that make them look exponentially worse? Well, now I think I can apply that to our existence.

It’s not just good to be rich, you have to be SUPER

rich, and have a need to dominate. It’s not simply that you fucked up the economy once in the 1920’s or 30’s, it’s that you continue to fuck it up 90 years later. You can’t just employ one asshole with biases and ties to organizations that you police; you have to put someone like that at the head of every organization under your umbrella. It’s never one lie to one person, but a thousand to a thousand people. Negativity begets exponential negativity. Negativity only “exists” when you refuse to create or preserve something positive.

I try; I try ever so hard to view things simply. I felt overwhelmed trying to process the sea of “facts” and “documented material” I was swimming in while watching this. That isn’t to say that some parts didn’t show the actual documents, nor does it mean that some factual information wasn’t translated. What that does mean is those facts I feel comfortable denoting as such, consisted of the recorded speeches of campaign promises later contradicted, the reporting of “secret” meetings, and the actual sections of bills and reports highlighted on screen.

But let me go back to fear and make things simple. Take a situation where you’re sitting with your friends at a coffee shop. You see someone who isn’t a cop with a gun holstered. While you might not be completely freaked out, it isn’t hard to believe that you or a good portion of people around you might become uncomfortable. Why are they becoming uncomfortable? It’s because a guns sole purpose is to kill. That idea of a weapon does not bode good feelings, comfort, or togetherness. It preempts the idea that someone or something is dangerous. A coffee shop in Bloomington is an unlikely spot for such caution.

Weaponizing anyone or anywhere will only cause this effect en masse. Yes, you might feel comfortable around guns as you would a field of daisies because you were raised on them or just love to shoot. I would probably get off on the idea of shooting shit too, let alone an opportunity to blow something up, but I would gladly forgo that feeling if no one else had to do it with a gun either. So, when I see a war, I think automatically bad. I know if I had bullets flying by my head, it would suck. I know that the idea of accidentally killing a random kid or “innocent” person isn’t good. I know there are people that want us dead. I know there are ideologies that call for my death and people planning on using their weapons to do it. I think there are better ways.

Switching gears a bit, I want to talk about the “war” for ideas and information. I have to say, even as a person who fights to stay objective, it was pretty hard to try and sift through information I thought I might find semi-reliable, and shit that was absolutely ridiculous, while watching this documentary. If it was hard for me, and is still hard to really swallow and make sense of, it will be damn near impossible for most. I’ve already stated that the tone I got was fear, which means fear is presumably all anyone will feel if they don’t have the will or mind to pick it apart and dig deeper.

But again, the war of ideas can be fought simply. If in fact there is a secret sect of people who are willing to control us, then, as the film calls for, we have to take responsibility for ourselves and direct our actions appropriately. If we can say to ourselves, “A gun would not make this scenario better” and put the gun away, no one trying to put a gun in our hand is going to succeed. If we can understand that no single person can possibly enact the kinds of promises that Obama made, then we can stop celebrating the collective ignorance about saviors. Also, we can stop demonizing the puppet put in place to convince us. We need to persuade ourselves of better ideas about what it means to be rich and healthy. We need to persuade ourselves, and this is the sickest thing misunderstood, that as we suck away money or attention towards the things that make us heroes, we suck away our reasons to live.

I’ve said that I’m celebrating our species demise. I can’t begin to persuade myself that things will get better as long I see how we go about establishing our “beliefs.” When you believe in a god for example, despite every single good thing you can attribute to it, you are disposed to magical, impossible, fanatic thinking and when something emulates that, you will be disposed to trusting it. This isn’t because you are stupid; this is because that is how brains work. I’m not trying to insult my religious friends; I’m trying to scream from the rooftops BIOLOGY.

Very practically speaking, if we take what the documentary says on its face, very important implications come out of a few scenarios. There have in fact been bills that have called to restrict or prohibit gun access to the” not convicted of a crime” public. It starts with those on the no fly list, it ends where? Now no, I don’t believe we should have the guns in the first place, but it’s at this point that I think we get into a situation of self-defense. If cops become federalized, if the military actually is being used to destabilize countries, if we are in fact being driven by corporate interest into a depression, I’d shoot a mother fucker or two myself if I was in that specific of a proverbial corner. But, things don’t have to get that complicated.

Every person in the military is a father, mother, brother, sister etc. There is no such thing as the “military” there is a collection of people with various ideals and reasons for joining an organization they either believed in or believed would help their life. Super soldiers follow orders, individuals make decisions. I can’t think of a single person I know who is in the military or has been that would comply with oppressing or fighting people in this country for government or corporate interests. Does that mean they wouldn’t? No, but I find it so unlikely I’ll state it for the record and chance at being proven wrong.

Before someone controls you, you have to give them something. What our elected officials, what your religion, your school, and your clothes company all want is your trust. This is why trust, for me, is the most important idea possible. It is the most respected thing to keep, and the most powerful thing ever abused. We trusted Obama; that was our folly. Well before him we trusted ourselves to know what to trust. We trusted that Federal Reserve meant actually federal and an extension of the government, not a private company. We trust that people give a fuck because we insolate ourselves around the few that do about us most often. The “awakening” as it’s referred to, needs to be an overt display of our reality, our nature, and our potential. Consciousness razing is more than becoming a bleeding heart for cancer or starving children.

The irony here seems to be that it already exists; we just refuse to accept it. It’s not a movie when you hear of genocide and/or people starving. Every time someone says, “It’s 2010 and we should be past this now” is only speaking to denial, not technological or moral maturity. We are in a war. We are killing innocent people for oil. We are poking holes in our atmosphere. We are bankrupting people before they are born. We are polluting our food. We are just a bunch of stupid fucking apes. Every complicated issue with its years of history, context, cause and effect, yada yada boils down to we are stupid fucking apes. This is why I just kind of “am” about our existence and factual in my assessment of it. I try to live and hold ideals in spite of my reality. That doesn’t mean I don’t accept it, it means I assess, idolize, and express the best parts of it.

This is what I mean when I tell people to wake up. This is why my thoughts are always racing. This is why I say things matter and other things don’t. This is why I feel like I have any authority what so ever over anything and appreciate people who are willing to engage the discourse or express the ideals. When you hear a person say “This bill prevents so and so from spending money or such and such organization from doing that” in an interview outside the building where a group of people are defying that bill, the bill doesn’t do shit. You’re reciting something stupid. You’re wasting your time. The bill did its job by getting you to recite what it is allegedly supposed to do The reality about the governmental body, law process, and nature of “regular” people to want and believe in it is just an “oh, duh”’ away.

What’s the motivation for a 125 people to control the world? Who cares!? What can happen when 1 person controls too much? Ask yourself this question about your shitty boss and your shitty job. What’s their motivation? It’s to maintain his or herself. Be it supporting a family, paying off debt, or just getting the bills to shut up, it’s not hard to imagine. To a greater degree, I’ll guess this is those rich peoples’ motivation as well. They understand what 7 billion confused, ignorant, pissed off, ideological, etc. people can do if destabilized. If they didn’t, I don’t imagine they would care to be in the business of destabilizing. The real “sin” of theirs is not making things simple and living humbly. And honestly, I think this is the only way to combat that problem regardless of the motivation or intention on our lives.

This is only possible with that sense of personal responsibility, accountability, and sense of being “awake.” You have to make your own rules that follow simple principles. Be specific and honest. The reason people are allowed to complicate an issue with platitudes like “it’s not black and white” is because they refuse to get specific. Is a belief in a god good or bad? That’s the wrong question. Does this person’s belief in a god create more positive in their life and the lives of others than it does destroy? Potentially. Make no mistake, because it does indeed destroy something, but what it’s destroying can still exist and even grow in the mind of someone else. Also, when whatever is being destroyed is contained in the mind or collective consciousness, it brings the “fight” to a much safer and tolerable landscape. I would be much more content with a world where everyone but me believed in a god, but no one wanted me dead or to kill themselves in service to it.

If there is one service you can do for yourself or your country it is to make people be specific. Don’t allow thousand page bills to be passed in an hour. Don’t believe everyone, particularly you, is entitled to everything; this ranging from the nominal and obvious things like guns, to abstract notions of respect and love. The idea that people would refuse to even acknowledge and change themselves scares me way more than a police state or Illuminati-esc super group pulling strings. One means our generation, or maybe foreseeable generations, will get fucked, the other means we literally will never care to know how to stop it.

[96] Fixing Every Problem In The World

Friday, June 13, 2008 at 5:55am

I have this view on life that’s pretty simple. Be happy. The only reason I’m so good at being happy is because I learn what I have to in order to see things simply. I’m going to try to apply this simple outlook to the major problems of the world and see if I can make them sound reasonable.

Global warming: the fact is we screwed up in how we decided run our cars and get our energy. Simple minded me says use solar panels, on everything. Hydrogen and water engines either exist or are at the brink of existing so replace or modify every old engine to be like them. The wind is free so put wind farms in all that grass next to fields. Flowing water turning wheels can power lights in cities, and does for some. Why isn’t it happening? People like to bark about the cost and I just want to say “look, if the atmosphere goes, everything on the planet does to.” McCain is talking about investing in nuclear power. There are worse problems with that than any of the methods listed, and considering he’s just Bush light I wonder how long it would take for that to turn into more weapons. From our intervention to the utilization of fungus and different bacteria we could deal with this seemingly overnight, yet the collective brainpower of some of the smartest people on the planet is not getting filtered fast enough into what I consider good enough results. (Edit: I have since rescinded my view on nuclear power and didn’t realize how many missiles were being decommissioned.)

Violence: Now even though historically violence is less than it ever has been, it is never going to be low enough for people living in gang areas or in warring countries. City and gang violence I say do the following. Go in with a massive task force and put them down before they can shoot anymore bystanders. We already see how this works in Iraq. More troops equals less violence. When your neighborhood has been gangster cleansed how many young recruits are going to look at the body pile and think twice about fucking with armored cavalry? I’m not a big fan of violence, but I say fuck them if they choose to be willfully ignorant about the, what would then be known consequence, of continuing down said path. Those fanatics who perpetuate war in other countries, massive world effort to save as many of the innocent as possible, then bomb the shit out of what’s left. Given people are content enough today with collateral damage, I’m at least proposing we move who we can out before the demolition.

Poverty: All those damn poor people. While I think a lot of it is their fault, I’m well aware there are plenty of people who are hard working and are still struggling like crazy. For those super poor street living people, take them to jail. I have a plan for them after they are there too, just wait. Those with meager incomes and huge families will take a little more work. First, if Jethro wants to have 17 kids and live in a shack, he’s getting a vasectomy. The kids will go to half way homes, again something I have a plan for. Not quite a jail yet not really freedom will be learning centers for these types of people. If all you know is how to work on cars, that will change quickly.

I feel I should take a moment to say, this is not a democracy. People will feel as if they’re civil liberties are in jeopardy and their freedom is being violated and all I can say to that is, your feelings are wrong. It has become overly apparent to me that people do not know what is best for themselves. They know how to survive and how to get along very-semi-well enough, but long term prospects for humanity look ever dim. That is my focus. No one gets hurt unless they choose to play that game. No one stays dumb or they don’t eat. Simple enough.

Jails: Most already do this, but I don’t feel it is to the extent of maximal gain. Everyone works. And I don’t mean license plates. I mean they are working like Mexicans to work on any and every task that can be taught for the better of the surrounding area. Those death row and lifers will be put to the task of learning the more complicated aspects of the current global problems, and will become extra brainpower focused on subject. Not like they don’t have the time. Those learning centers will be slightly less freedom invasive, but the expectations will in no way be lax. People will become smarter or they won’t eat. I think food is a big enough motivation for anybody to do what it is that is required of them. Those that are mentally incapable of doing such will not starve to death if I may quell any sudden outcries of cruelty.

Those halfway houses: The condition they are in today is atrocious. Kids just kind of existing with other kids in rundown shacks with overseers. My facilities would again be education oriented. Kids will be treated like they aren’t retarded and if they behave as such, that food thing kicks in. Minor debate can be held about the appropriate age to implement that. Parents can see and contact their kids, and when they show they’ve become smart/responsible enough, they can be reunited.

I think I should take another moment to talk about money. That’s the excuse over and over when regarding anything, absolutely anything that is new or different. I have this philosophy. If you can do a job, you can do it without money. Simple? Where’s the incentive you ask? Intellectual gain, food, aesthetic enjoyment, and freedom. I think there are enough people that appreciate doing something because they love to do it. Many doctors and teachers are not getting paid as much as some would think they should, but the job gets done anyway. Money for the bills is the concern. But the bills will be dealt with another way. Money for food, clothes, etc. which again won’t be an issue. Sooner or later people will learn to adopt that they get what they put into the welfare of humanity. This will only work mind you when enough people are contributing to the overwhelming basin of goodies for all. Someone somewhere has something you want/need and the same can be said about you. Being able to make those connections and understand the power of connectivity will be what frees people from thinking they are at the will of bills and must cling desperately to meager rewards.

Time: I spend a lot of time doing nothing. I recognize this to be a problem so how time is broken up will be another aspect of this. A number of hours will be devoted each day to reading. It doesn’t matter what people read, but one thing must be science oriented per week. In Spain everyone stops what they’re doing midday to just chill, why can’t we read?

I should make a note of my inspiration for this digression. First, Bee Movie which shows you how integral a seemingly pointless job that millions of others are doing is truly important to the whole. Second, watching ants which again falls close to the same concept. Third, my never ending fear that people will never understand whatever it is they want well enough to be happy. And forth, thinking about the types of civilizations Michio Kaku, theoretical physicist at U. of New York, has discussed.

Human interaction: Obviously people still get worked up about racism, curse words, etc. And those aren’t likely to go away. My approach is to use any curse worse, racial terms, taboo statement until they become boring. If I can say fuck instead of uh…, like, or umm and not even realize that it’s a “curse” word, I’m sure people can become just as desensitized to the stupid little things in language that cause such big issues. After that nappy headed hoes comment, It should have been played as often as Love Song by Sara Barreiles until people thought of the phrase to the same extent they contemplate “cat.” I don’t think words matter in any aspect removed from the actions they evoke from people. Take away the compulsory response, avoid the negative action.

Sexuality: People will learn to not be sexually repressed. In other countries people are either fucking in public or putting boobs in orange juice commercials. I think an insurmountable amount of stress comes from people who cannot express themselves in frankly perverted and touchy feely ways. This doesn’t mean it will be okay to just grope whoever walks by and slap people in the face with your dick. This does mean though that one night stands might be discussed over coffee or amidst some social gathering and a quickie in the break room won’t get you fired. When the air is clear to think, feel, and express those animal urges is out of the way, more time can be focused on more “productive” things. And obviously measures in contraceptives will take on a whole new light and sex education will be everywhere.

Drugs and alcohol: Legalize and prepare. Like with the cussing and racist crap, when its legal, the rush of being the badass breaking the rules goes away. Those that are truly addicted can get stipends, but will not be allowed to snort themselves into a coma. If you are going to drink, assuming the car is still the most prevalent way to transport people, there will be built in breathalyzers that disable the car from moving if your that impaired. Those things even exist already. Otherwise, drunk people walking or making noise are far less of a nuisance than dead people. Controlled environments can be set up for people wanting to “experiment.”

Religion: Will be dealt with as any other social organization. The second it becomes a hindrance to education or a threat, it will be obliterated. When a bill in, let’s say Louisiana, even hints of creationism in the classroom, those people will be thoroughly reconditioned. I can only say I don’t care what you believe as long as you do in fact believe a list of other things right alongside it. When a contradiction arises and you don’t make way to logical fact, you’ve given yourself an issue my system will be forced to deal with.

Now with anything, there will be cheaters and under-minors. Not everything can be dealt with without totalitarian fear and an all seeing eye. The whole point of having a system designed to provide ease of information and progress is to teach people that they literally are only hurting themselves when everyone else is playing along. This is not how it works in our society. Those that cheat win bigger than ever. Those that play the right kind of “game” in a given situation will have it pay out. Only when your about someone else’s well being can you understand what it does for your own. Having a planet to live on, being able to trust people to be smart enough to make good decisions, and utilizing the untapped potential of the idle human being are on my list of things important to a master race.

24 comments

Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 1:13pm on June 13th, 2008 There are a lot of good ideas in that note, all we need is a dictator who would put this into effect. Report - Delete

Mickey Woods wroteat 2:00pm on June 13th, 2008 You do have some verrry strong points Nick. It sometimes comes across as a little dictator-esque, HOWEVER, as you said, we don't honestly live in democratic nation. Overall, though, sounds like a plan to me! Report - Delete

Billy Bowman (Bloomington, IN) wroteat 2:17pm on June 13th, 2008 Interesting solutions.. i like them. No way they would work with our current government though..... Report - Delete

Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 3:26pm on June 13th, 2008 Thanks for the 23% tax hike and pissing all over civil liberties... So much of this is just impossible! Just wait until I get to a computer... and you do know that lower-class culture is self perpetuating, right? Report - Delete

Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 3:47pm on June 13th, 2008 BJ, I would glad pay a 23% tax high to fix the worlds problem. Hell I'd give a full years salary to fix all the world's problem. These solutions are not impossible, not feasible maybe. If only I was dictator of the world,lol. Report - Delete

Billy Bowman (Bloomington, IN) wroteat 3:56pm on June 13th, 2008 Psh.. if we eliminated congress we wouldn't have to have any tax hike at ALL... we may actually be able to cut taxes.... Report - Delete

Matt Bane (Taylor IN) wroteat 7:24pm on June 13th, 2008 Hey, you would fix all the worlds problems with this plan right? You say at one point in this rant that people don't know what's best for them, and that they are only good at surviving, but you go on to make a set of changes that would take away their right and ability to live their own lives, make mistakes, and have the freedom to be their own person (which is what they are the way the world is now, flawed as it is, PEOPLE- Human beings with emotions and thoughts and opinions) in order to solve global warming and war and other problems. So basically you would take away everything that makes life worth living to ensure that people would get to just survive. Report - Delete

Matt Bane (Taylor IN) wroteat 7:24pm on June 13th, 2008 Also, a little side note, with all of my opinions on the ethics of your ideas aside, I do not believe it would work. You can't just eliminate violence by exterminating everyone that you deem a threat. Even if you destroy everyone who "statistically" is more likely to commit violent crime or "genetically predisposed" toward violence based on research you would obviously conduct before cleaning up the streets, there would still be hate and anger between people that would lead to violence. While you tear families apart because parents aren't "smart enough" to raise their kids, the love they have for each other would lead at least the adults in the family to resist. Report - Delete

Matt Bane (Taylor IN) wroteat 7:26pm on June 13th, 2008 But you could always just invent some drug that eliminates all human emotion... we'd be better off without those damn brutish animal impulses after all wouldn't we? Then everyone would mindlessly obey and mankinds problems would be over, global warming would end, we would all survive. But at the cost of everything that makes us people and makes life worth living. You'd eb alive but never love a woman, never know the joy of fathering a child, and never create anything meaningful that you take any pride in. So thanks for ending the world's problems... Report - Delete

Nick P. wroteat 7:47pm on June 13th, 2008 Matt, this is a preliminary set up of a much grander scheme. The whole point of this plan is to show people that they aren't living their own lives. They are living as slaves to money, governmental control, and their untangled emotions. I'm not taking anything away from those that can prove through their contributions that they are indeed worthy to give the whole living freely value. If anything I would provide more reasons to make life worth living than people could imagine. I don't think "surviving" entails being some mindless zombie gear of a machine. I think in order to thrive and secure any sort of notable existence it will take a massive overhaul on what we consider the "right" way to be live as. Delete

Nick P. wroteat 7:53pm on June 13th, 2008 The plan is not to necessarily eliminate violence either Matt. I think you'd give me a little more credit about understanding how people behave. I don't believe there is ever an excuse from a "genetically predisposed" position because your genes don't make your decisions. Like I noted, violence is at an all time low in histories terms, I'm just shooting for as low as it can get. I don't think you can appreciate the effect really stupid parents have on their kids. It's not tearing families apart, its intervening in an all too common negative phenomenon. Don't get me started on what people consider "love" to be, especially in a dramatic family situation. To that I could only say again, your feelings wouldn't matter. I also noted that things would go back to normal once they proved they could take care of them. Delete

Nick P. wroteat 7:58pm on June 13th, 2008 Drugs that eliminate human emotion would only detract from what I want people to get out of life. I rather enjoy my contemptible animal impulses, and would live a rather meager existence without them. Global warming ending because people become zombies? I'm not sure how those ideas are connected. I never once said people wouldn't feel love, be able to have kids, and the whole point of the system would be to create as many meaningful and things to take pride in as possible. I'm glad you offered a strong negative opinion, but I feel I can either provide more clarification and/or you just took some points the wrong way. Delete

Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 8:11pm on June 13th, 2008 How the FUCK would you even survive without money? Please explain that shit because PEOPLE DON'T BETTER THEMSELVES BY BEING OPPRESSED, ROBBED, AND DOWNGRADED TO THE STATUS OF THOSE THAT DIDN'T OR COULDN'T!! Report - Delete

Nick P. wroteat 8:12pm on June 13th, 2008 Byron and Bj, again this is due to my lack of being as specific as possible. This culture would exist in different terms than taxes/money. No, in today's society, some of the stuff is not feasible, let alone given the contingencies of our government before any progress is ever made. When I mean change, I mean massive change and when people finally "get it" it will not take a dictator for it to perpetuate. The way our government is set up now, people piss on their own liberties. What bigger dick up their ass could the poor ask for when they voted for Bush? If anything I will be providing people with more opportunities to get in tuned with what their civil liberties are, and how to preserve them. You wouldn't have to be so ballsy in your profession in this society Bj, the things you want will have a knack for finding you. Delete

Nick P. wroteat 8:18pm on June 13th, 2008 Getting smarter, providing for overburdened families, and utilizing those who've chosen to end their own prospects for freedom or happiness is not oppression. You want to scream the word robbed at me? Being "forced" to put something towards the betterment of society is not being downgraded. I said it in the note. If you can do something, you can do it without payment. This is a simple fact that green paper does not hinder what I'm capable of anymore than it does anybody else. You are getting too caught up in the failings of our current condition and not letting the potential of what I'm proposing sink in. The closest I can draw any sort of analogy would be to point you in the direction of bees or ants. And before I hear any obvious retorts to that analogy, I would urge you to better inform yourself about both societies. Delete

Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 2:05am on June 14th, 2008 You're right it wouldn't neccessiarily take a dictator, just mssive changes in our own government like you said. If it was up to me I would make it a dictatorial society, but that's just me (I would be high up in the food chain mind you, lol). Report - Delete

Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 2:50am on June 14th, 2008 Byron, what's wrong with being low in the food chain? I mean, 100% of the people (of course the margin of error.) are at the bottom whenever there is a dictator. What's so bad with getting bitched out of your liberties? And Nick, what are you doing right now to contribute to the working poor? Are you growing food for them, building homes, or knitting some sweaters out of the kindness of your heart? (LMAO) And people are just going to give away the wants of society just as they would the needs!? Report - Delete

Nick P. wroteat 3:07am on June 14th, 2008 Bj you misunderstand me again. This is my theoretical plan. I'm no humanitarian and would probably be subject to reconditioning myself. We all would. The working poor having just one more guy kind of helping them in our system wouldn't do shit enough in my opinion and your basically preaching to the point. Knitting sweaters, as fun as that is, doesn't help me nor them. In answer to your last question, yes. That is what the systems goal would be. Who capitalizes from electronics that cost hundreds less to make than buy? The "stuff" is out there, how we go about distributing it would be completely new. I'm not trying to be a martyr for something that people can barely comprehend at this point. What are you doing to not be poor? Is that honest or to the benefit of anyone but yourself? Anyone who argues against this line of reasoning automatically digs themselves a hypocritical hole. I never claimed to be above that hole, I'm merely proposing my ideas. Delete

Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 3:27am on June 14th, 2008 Who says most people would have to bottom of the food chain in dictator ship. There are many examples of flourishing dictatorships. South Korea flourished from 1848 threw the 1980's with their dictators Syngman Rhee, Park Chung-hee, and Chun Doo-hwan.Singapore also thrived from 1959 to 1990 under Lee Kuan Yew. And the best example of all is Spain with Fancisco Franco who was greatly loved and served his country from 1936 to 1975.There are many other benevolent dictators. but whether I lived in a country with a dictatorship or a democracy I would still want to be high on the food chain. Report - Delete

Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 2:43pm on June 14th, 2008 I'm doing what I have to do to survive, that's my fucking point! I don't rely on shit from anybody else! Just as you say even, people are in control of their own destiny, and yes, people will fuck it up for themselves. And you're preaching hypotheticals, talking as if the system is foolproof like it won't be abused like some Pokemon cards... It's a dog-eat-dog world and noone's going to dumb themselves do to be another's worker bee! Haven't ya'll noticed Survival of the Fittest in nature? GTFO Report - Delete

Nick P. wroteat 4:20pm on June 14th, 2008 You’re not making any sense. You don't need cameras and tvs to survive. Unfortunately people do not realize that they are not in control of their destinies. I don't know how the system would be run because we have a world full of people like you have zero idea how a give a get given society would ever thrive. You did exactly what I thought you would do and said people would have to get "dumb" when every last thing my note is about is getting better informed and better connected. And again, they wouldn't be doing it for some dictator, that's Byron's thing, they would be doing it for themselves keeping the rest of the world in the best possible shape as a byproduct. It's survival of the best adapted, and we are obviously not adapted to deal with our many issues both inner and outer. If you want to preach how awesome being poor and hopeless we are fine, but stop arguing if you’re not going to address any of the real points me and Byron have given you. Delete

Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 5:02pm on June 14th, 2008 I'm talking of the differences of wants and needs and it's a giant fucking gap! You notice how lower class culture spends a good deal of their earnings on shit they don't need? BTW, the wall fell down in the eighties, so tell me where the Soviets got it right. In your hypothetical society of just needs and nobody even striving for excellence, how will their be progress? What will be done in the event of disaster/emergency? And you're ready to give up your possesions, the stuff you had to earn? Report - Delete

Nick P. wroteat 5:16pm on June 14th, 2008 What the hell are you talking about? You are arguing against the complete OPPOSITE of everything this society would stand for. The entire goal is progress, excellence, if not perfection. In the event of a disaster why wouldn't we respond the same ways we do now, but with more people, more focus, and quicker results. I again, never said ANYTHING about giving up your possessions and your pulling things out of the air to fight with me about. I'm not shooting to be a Soviet nor do I know the spending habits of the poor. Try quoting me or something so we talk about something I actually said and can back up. Delete

Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 6:28pm on June 14th, 2008 Bj, I wish I had the time to write a full response to you but I have to work. Just to let you know the Soviets were Communist and no one has even mentioned this form of government in the debate and I'll tell you were the soviets got it right, they were able to pull a country that was completely in the shitter in to a world superpower, that's not to say they did in a perfect way or even the best way. But they did it none the less. Communism works well for countries that are in the shiter it stops working when the country has once again re stabilized and begins prospering.