Showing posts with label McCain. Show all posts
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Thursday, December 30, 2010

[222] Fix It Bitch

How do I propose to fix things? To me, this kind of comes across as asking the Ethiopian kid why he doesn’t just start a farm if he’s so hungry, or maybe the Canadian to read a book if they feel so stupid. It seems to miss the real issues. You’re still Canadian.

So Nick, you like to bitch. Always on facebook with your views and rants and yada yada. Do something about it bitch! Sure, I can agree with you from time to time, even give you a little shit just to see how well you can defend, but I clearly have much less invested in whatever the topic at hand is than you do. Why aren’t you spending every waking minute fighting this monstrous pile of problems you have with the world? Remember you’re an American! Your will and your will alone is going to save you.

This just in, we hardly ever create our circumstances. A whole ton of shit happened before I popped onto the scene in 1988, and I venture to guess people back then had about as much a clue as we do now. Why didn’t the 1988 bitchers just do something!? It seems so easy. What do you even want to do in the first place?

I want to change thoughts.

No, not just change them for the sake of changing them. I could whip my dick out and piss down your leg and I’m positive it will distract you from the Vivaldi symphony you were humming inside. I can’t really think of what that helps besides my smile at the thought. Let me illustrate via example of how I want thoughts to be conducted via mock conversations.

“Hey dude, this invisible man told me something about who you should have sex with.”
“Really? Was he cloaked with that new invisible technology I heard about on the military channel?”
“Ya, what else could it be, magic?”

“Hey dudette, did you know John McCain owns 6 houses?”
“Really? Does he have a lot of kids or family, because 1 doesn’t go into 6 without some crazy quantum stuff going on.”
“No, luckily when our government found out they told him the same thing. The waste, greed, and self-entitlement don’t outweigh the social cost and messages we send to our society about well-being”

“Hi, this is Article 10 section b. of the treaty you signed not to conduct war for insufficient reason.”
“I see your document and counter that I don’t care.”
“Go directly to jail.”

“You mean that this is the only planet we know humans to be currently living on and need water and an atmosphere?”
“I don’t find these compelling enough reason to all but cease and desist pursuing resources that can make it explode.”
“That’s why you’re seated next to that crazy politician while regulatory commissions and scientists break up and repurpose your equipment.”

We allow ourselves to be sold on this bullshit, become complacent with the results, and lose all will even to meagerly bitch on facebook about it.

When. You. Become. Specific. Objective. Reality. Exists.

Is cutting bad? It’s the wrong question. Should a girl with low self-esteem and the excuse, “this is the only way to make me feel” cut. Probably not. Should the masochist cut in an expression of sexual release? Could be dangerous, but certainly a different circumstance. It becomes a question about personal responsibility and societal impact over “moral truth.”

We need to allow questions to become as complicated as what they are trying to hide. This is what happens to my brain when I hear certain questions. For example, is sex before marriage bad? Ridiculously involved question! Unprotected sex? Sex with who? What state of mind would you venture a guess they were in? What pros or cons does marriage bring to sex? Bad for her or him or him or all three? Bad as in disease, emotions, location? Oral? Why are we supposing marriage and sex have anything to do with each other in the first place? It turns into an endless ball of philosophical speculation about the subjective experiences with sex and beliefs about marriage.

Is it not more coherent to tell someone the story and purpose of marriage given different time periods and across various belief systems and let them decide if they agree or disagree with a particular method? Is it not more responsible to teach people all the pros and cons of having the various kinds of sex and allowing them to figure out what’s best for their health and well-being? Is it not reasonable to assume that regardless of who’s fucking who under what conditions, if you find or pick people who are proven to be safe and mature, it’s really none of your fucking business or concern what’s going on elsewhere?

The financial crisis surely had thousands of people with little to large hands at play. Blame them all. More importantly, get them all to blame themselves. Is it not the whistleblower that can expel a wave of shit that indicts a mass of people? What if you can convince that mass of people to account for their own fuck ups, and then figure a way to fix them instead? What if a hundred accountable people worked at Lehman Brothers? Maybe only a few would need to be punished. Maybe it wouldn’t have gone bankrupt. Maybe bonuses and salaries would better reflect achievement and contributions instead of cronyism. And whatever could be said about the ones that went under, it goes double for Goldman Sachs.

You make excuses when you don’t accept objective reality. I would equate the same fallacy and damaging habit of keeping an abusive boyfriend with how we conduct ourselves in government or religious institutions. Of course, why be so eager to flock to such structures unless you’re predisposed against personal responsibility in the first place? I shouldn’t have to convince my friends that they’re boyfriend beats them or is scarily controlling any more than I should have to convince someone that if they don’t like the two party system, stop voting into it. Is the fear of being ostracized or judged really greater than whether or not you’ll have a job next week? Is the objective case for something better a change so uncertain and dangerous you’re willing to perpetuate your circumstances? Well, obviously at this point.

This is why I’m at my core opposed to magic thinking. I don’t see what it does but allow you to be selfish in a destructive manner. It persuades you that you have more control than you do. It allows you to literally outright deny evidence in front of your face. It distracts you from the very obvious things you could be doing to get a more humble and honest kind of satisfaction. And this assumes I would dignify what you get from many of those beliefs as satisfaction. So what am I doing about it?

I’m at least bitching enough to try and garner the questions and conversations in a direction that will bring the specific problems to light and hopefully answers to address them. I’m at least trying ever so fucking hard to be an example of feeling utterly alone in my head while still espousing ideas and ideals that I’ve yet to have a single fucking person tell me I’m so ridiculously destructive or outlandish to hold. I’m asking if it can be done with a “bitchy” solo blog, what can be done with two, or three, a campus or country?

It’s easy to be another protester, whistle blower, hot head, egomaniac, “intellectual,” and servant. History has told our story hundreds of thousands of times and we refuse to change this instant. We are not prepared to be accountable today. Even allowing for how little control I actually have in a parent system, I still manage to maintain too high a sense of responsibility for shit people couldn’t imagine.

I should’ve seen Javon was a psychopath and worked harder to find a better roommate. When her shit gets stolen or spilled on, all that matters is that it was my party. Never mind the months she had to buy a lockable doorknob that was left up to me too. I invited Chris to live there as well despite the anger I saw in him. Whether I bought the alcohol or not I’m still responsible for the drunken rabble in my house. If Rin’s pole gets broken, I have to pay for it. If Hatsam puts in ten applications, I have to find the eleventh that gets him hired. If the world goes to shit, I have to devise some master strategy or feel guilty and responsible for not fixing it all instead of merely bitching on facebook.

If I’m going to continue feeling this way, I’m at least going to keep bitching until I’m ignored or collaborated with. I’m much happier taking responsibility than pretending I don’t want any. Most people I encounter are happy to give it to me. I don’t know if this is extremely endearing and a sign of my potential or me just the proud scapegoat for people’s emotional instability. Forgive me for leaning towards the latter.  

Monday, June 16, 2008

[97] Too Angry For A Title To Matter

Monday, June 16, 2008 at 12:56am

Great Nick, you’ve challenged me to think outside the box now disappear into your little notes section of facebook and don’t’ make it personal.

People infuriate me. Every reason I am the way I am comes from how I see people struggling with how to relate or explain themselves. It’s why I have a handful of “friends.” It’s why I just don’t give a fuck about apologizing for what I say and do. I reflect the kind of respect I see people giving to their opinions and lives. Why am I the radical one for asking someone to make up their mind about whether the world was created in 7 days or not? Why should I have to ask that question in the first place? And even afterward still get to be the pushy asshole atheist who can’t just “let me believe what I believe.” After a “conversation” I just had I can only say that it doesn’t take a religious lunatic or “steadfast” Christian to say and do the exact same completely frustrating and nonsensical maneuvers in response to surface scratching questions. Like I knew I had it in me to make people cry, but I didn’t think it was because I could ask them questions. It isn’t just with never happened religious conversations either. I just read a note from someone who says they don’t really know anything about the candidates, but doesn’t like war, yet wants to vote for McCain because, well she doesn’t know, but wants her vote to count, but isn’t really interested in learning about health care or taxes. AHHHHHH!!!!! Also, she doesn’t believe in global warming no matter how much ice they say is melting into the ocean…..

I’m so unbelievably pissed. The main reason my system in the last blog wouldn’t work is because there are people so unbearably nonchalant about their ignorance, that if they were become fully aware of just how unbearable they sounded, they couldn’t hold they’re idea that “you believe what you believe, and I believe what I believe” so deeply. And what’s a more devastating travesty than that. To have to forego the long fought for excuse that has dragged them through their faith for so long. If it would evoke even the slightest tinge of anger or frustration from you seeing someone walking around the mall with a sign saying something like “All niggers are baby aborters” you might be able to understand just how angry I am hearing the same damn things that don’t make any more sense than that, over and over and over and over, never moving anywhere are making me. Your first thought isn’t “How great freedom of speech is, right on guy!” You aren’t so happy that his belief makes him happy and so motivated to just get out there and share it. Hell, you might find it necessary to go up to him and try and explain just how devoid of logic and harmful that view is on society. Why the fuck am I the bad guy? I’m fully capable of just being a belligerent ass who’s only goal is to come up with the most inventive ways to offend and belittle, and yet I don’t. I get words put in my mouth, people tell me they’re being attacked, I get all this protest when, if I had it my way, I’d just post video links and entire books instead of talking at all. That’s all my “belief” system is coming from. Those are my “opinions.” It simply does not matter how you feel then. You don’t believe in the big bang, you see how the evidence supports it. I don’t believe the earth was created in 7 days because I’ve had an elementary education, not because “it’s just something to believe in that makes me happy.” I literally just want to fucking scream when we can’t even pretend, not even pretend for the sake of English and logic, that we’re talking about the same fucking thing like days being days.

I refuse to give up. I will not allow tears and hurt feelings stop me from trying to help people see that it is NOT OK to just believe what you believe and answer questions with “well I can’t really explain it.” It is not okay to think that a prayer you’ve been asking to come true for years finally happens on your deathbed is a miracle. It is not okay to DENY GLOBAL WARMING for fucks sake! All of this is wrong. Patently wrong! Not because “I SAY SO” or “I REALLY DEEP DOWN FEEL THIS WAY.” I am literally ashamed to be part of humanity.


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Daniel Noah Robbin wroteat 3:20am on June 16th, 2008
I reported your note because it made me cry and question my beliefs and existence. Oh, Nick, I hate you so much!
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Nick P. wroteat 5:10am on June 16th, 2008
And I thought I wouldn't be able to laugh tonight, thank you sir.
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Cara Zimmerman (Chicago, IL) wroteat 1:51pm on June 16th, 2008
Well hey sorry for writing what I think.
It wasn't meant to make you mad.
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Nick P. wroteat 2:12pm on June 16th, 2008
it just confuses me when someone says they don't like violence and war, but will vote for the candidate who wants violence and war
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Daniel Noah Robbin wroteat 3:15pm on June 16th, 2008
But that candidate would be anti-abortion and gay marriage. Those are the issues that will turn this country around. I don't care if a candidate is against war and corruption. If he doesn't wear an American flag pin on his sportcoat, I'm not voting for him!
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David M.L. Jaffe wroteat 5:37pm on June 16th, 2008
I love your point of people voting just because they want to. Especially Hillary's feminist supporters. They're holding grudges because Obama won, and are trying to band together to vote for McBush. Oh wait, he doesn't give a SHIT about women's rights. Roe Vs Wade? He wants to get rid of it. He calls his wife cunt on camera. The war, which many feminists absolutely disgust? He loves it and wants to go to war with practically every country on the other side of the world. And yet these feminists support him because Obama beat Hillary. Seriously?

If you know about candidates, and you share their beliefs, then go for it. If you have no clue, and want to vote to be cool, OR vote for a candidate that doesn't care about you just because you're holding a grudge against the more sensible candidate, gtfo.

I'm hoping Obama can get this country back on track. Maybe he'll turn it around enough that I might like living here instead of planning on moving to Europe once I'm well off, money wise.
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David M.L. Jaffe wroteat 5:38pm on June 16th, 2008
And whoever denies global warming is a complete and utter dumb ass... Not trying to sound mean, but uh, take a look around the world's climate shifts.



Friday, June 13, 2008

[96] Fixing Every Problem In The World

Friday, June 13, 2008 at 5:55am

I have this view on life that’s pretty simple. Be happy. The only reason I’m so good at being happy is because I learn what I have to in order to see things simply. I’m going to try to apply this simple outlook to the major problems of the world and see if I can make them sound reasonable.

Global warming: the fact is we screwed up in how we decided run our cars and get our energy. Simple minded me says use solar panels, on everything. Hydrogen and water engines either exist or are at the brink of existing so replace or modify every old engine to be like them. The wind is free so put wind farms in all that grass next to fields. Flowing water turning wheels can power lights in cities, and does for some. Why isn’t it happening? People like to bark about the cost and I just want to say “look, if the atmosphere goes, everything on the planet does to.” McCain is talking about investing in nuclear power. There are worse problems with that than any of the methods listed, and considering he’s just Bush light I wonder how long it would take for that to turn into more weapons. From our intervention to the utilization of fungus and different bacteria we could deal with this seemingly overnight, yet the collective brainpower of some of the smartest people on the planet is not getting filtered fast enough into what I consider good enough results. (Edit: I have since rescinded my view on nuclear power and didn’t realize how many missiles were being decommissioned.)

Violence: Now even though historically violence is less than it ever has been, it is never going to be low enough for people living in gang areas or in warring countries. City and gang violence I say do the following. Go in with a massive task force and put them down before they can shoot anymore bystanders. We already see how this works in Iraq. More troops equals less violence. When your neighborhood has been gangster cleansed how many young recruits are going to look at the body pile and think twice about fucking with armored cavalry? I’m not a big fan of violence, but I say fuck them if they choose to be willfully ignorant about the, what would then be known consequence, of continuing down said path. Those fanatics who perpetuate war in other countries, massive world effort to save as many of the innocent as possible, then bomb the shit out of what’s left. Given people are content enough today with collateral damage, I’m at least proposing we move who we can out before the demolition.

Poverty: All those damn poor people. While I think a lot of it is their fault, I’m well aware there are plenty of people who are hard working and are still struggling like crazy. For those super poor street living people, take them to jail. I have a plan for them after they are there too, just wait. Those with meager incomes and huge families will take a little more work. First, if Jethro wants to have 17 kids and live in a shack, he’s getting a vasectomy. The kids will go to half way homes, again something I have a plan for. Not quite a jail yet not really freedom will be learning centers for these types of people. If all you know is how to work on cars, that will change quickly.

I feel I should take a moment to say, this is not a democracy. People will feel as if they’re civil liberties are in jeopardy and their freedom is being violated and all I can say to that is, your feelings are wrong. It has become overly apparent to me that people do not know what is best for themselves. They know how to survive and how to get along very-semi-well enough, but long term prospects for humanity look ever dim. That is my focus. No one gets hurt unless they choose to play that game. No one stays dumb or they don’t eat. Simple enough.

Jails: Most already do this, but I don’t feel it is to the extent of maximal gain. Everyone works. And I don’t mean license plates. I mean they are working like Mexicans to work on any and every task that can be taught for the better of the surrounding area. Those death row and lifers will be put to the task of learning the more complicated aspects of the current global problems, and will become extra brainpower focused on subject. Not like they don’t have the time. Those learning centers will be slightly less freedom invasive, but the expectations will in no way be lax. People will become smarter or they won’t eat. I think food is a big enough motivation for anybody to do what it is that is required of them. Those that are mentally incapable of doing such will not starve to death if I may quell any sudden outcries of cruelty.

Those halfway houses: The condition they are in today is atrocious. Kids just kind of existing with other kids in rundown shacks with overseers. My facilities would again be education oriented. Kids will be treated like they aren’t retarded and if they behave as such, that food thing kicks in. Minor debate can be held about the appropriate age to implement that. Parents can see and contact their kids, and when they show they’ve become smart/responsible enough, they can be reunited.

I think I should take another moment to talk about money. That’s the excuse over and over when regarding anything, absolutely anything that is new or different. I have this philosophy. If you can do a job, you can do it without money. Simple? Where’s the incentive you ask? Intellectual gain, food, aesthetic enjoyment, and freedom. I think there are enough people that appreciate doing something because they love to do it. Many doctors and teachers are not getting paid as much as some would think they should, but the job gets done anyway. Money for the bills is the concern. But the bills will be dealt with another way. Money for food, clothes, etc. which again won’t be an issue. Sooner or later people will learn to adopt that they get what they put into the welfare of humanity. This will only work mind you when enough people are contributing to the overwhelming basin of goodies for all. Someone somewhere has something you want/need and the same can be said about you. Being able to make those connections and understand the power of connectivity will be what frees people from thinking they are at the will of bills and must cling desperately to meager rewards.

Time: I spend a lot of time doing nothing. I recognize this to be a problem so how time is broken up will be another aspect of this. A number of hours will be devoted each day to reading. It doesn’t matter what people read, but one thing must be science oriented per week. In Spain everyone stops what they’re doing midday to just chill, why can’t we read?

I should make a note of my inspiration for this digression. First, Bee Movie which shows you how integral a seemingly pointless job that millions of others are doing is truly important to the whole. Second, watching ants which again falls close to the same concept. Third, my never ending fear that people will never understand whatever it is they want well enough to be happy. And forth, thinking about the types of civilizations Michio Kaku, theoretical physicist at U. of New York, has discussed.

Human interaction: Obviously people still get worked up about racism, curse words, etc. And those aren’t likely to go away. My approach is to use any curse worse, racial terms, taboo statement until they become boring. If I can say fuck instead of uh…, like, or umm and not even realize that it’s a “curse” word, I’m sure people can become just as desensitized to the stupid little things in language that cause such big issues. After that nappy headed hoes comment, It should have been played as often as Love Song by Sara Barreiles until people thought of the phrase to the same extent they contemplate “cat.” I don’t think words matter in any aspect removed from the actions they evoke from people. Take away the compulsory response, avoid the negative action.

Sexuality: People will learn to not be sexually repressed. In other countries people are either fucking in public or putting boobs in orange juice commercials. I think an insurmountable amount of stress comes from people who cannot express themselves in frankly perverted and touchy feely ways. This doesn’t mean it will be okay to just grope whoever walks by and slap people in the face with your dick. This does mean though that one night stands might be discussed over coffee or amidst some social gathering and a quickie in the break room won’t get you fired. When the air is clear to think, feel, and express those animal urges is out of the way, more time can be focused on more “productive” things. And obviously measures in contraceptives will take on a whole new light and sex education will be everywhere.

Drugs and alcohol: Legalize and prepare. Like with the cussing and racist crap, when its legal, the rush of being the badass breaking the rules goes away. Those that are truly addicted can get stipends, but will not be allowed to snort themselves into a coma. If you are going to drink, assuming the car is still the most prevalent way to transport people, there will be built in breathalyzers that disable the car from moving if your that impaired. Those things even exist already. Otherwise, drunk people walking or making noise are far less of a nuisance than dead people. Controlled environments can be set up for people wanting to “experiment.”

Religion: Will be dealt with as any other social organization. The second it becomes a hindrance to education or a threat, it will be obliterated. When a bill in, let’s say Louisiana, even hints of creationism in the classroom, those people will be thoroughly reconditioned. I can only say I don’t care what you believe as long as you do in fact believe a list of other things right alongside it. When a contradiction arises and you don’t make way to logical fact, you’ve given yourself an issue my system will be forced to deal with.

Now with anything, there will be cheaters and under-minors. Not everything can be dealt with without totalitarian fear and an all seeing eye. The whole point of having a system designed to provide ease of information and progress is to teach people that they literally are only hurting themselves when everyone else is playing along. This is not how it works in our society. Those that cheat win bigger than ever. Those that play the right kind of “game” in a given situation will have it pay out. Only when your about someone else’s well being can you understand what it does for your own. Having a planet to live on, being able to trust people to be smart enough to make good decisions, and utilizing the untapped potential of the idle human being are on my list of things important to a master race.

Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 1:13pm on June 13th, 2008
There are a lot of good ideas in that note, all we need is a dictator who would put this into effect.
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Mickey Woods wroteat 2:00pm on June 13th, 2008
You do have some verrry strong points Nick.
It sometimes comes across as a little dictator-esque, HOWEVER, as you said, we don't honestly live in democratic nation. Overall, though, sounds like a plan to me!
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Billy Bowman (Bloomington, IN) wroteat 2:17pm on June 13th, 2008
Interesting solutions.. i like them. No way they would work with our current government though.....
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Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 3:26pm on June 13th, 2008
Thanks for the 23% tax hike and pissing all over civil liberties... So much of this is just impossible! Just wait until I get to a computer... and you do know that lower-class culture is self perpetuating, right?
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Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 3:47pm on June 13th, 2008
BJ, I would glad pay a 23% tax high to fix the worlds problem. Hell I'd give a full years salary to fix all the world's problem. These solutions are not impossible, not feasible maybe. If only I was dictator of the world,lol.
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Billy Bowman (Bloomington, IN) wroteat 3:56pm on June 13th, 2008
Psh.. if we eliminated congress we wouldn't have to have any tax hike at ALL... we may actually be able to cut taxes....
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Matt Bane (Taylor IN) wroteat 7:24pm on June 13th, 2008
Hey, you would fix all the worlds problems with this plan right?
You say at one point in this rant that people don't know what's best for them, and that they are only good at surviving, but you go on to make a set of changes that would take away their right and ability to live their own lives, make mistakes, and have the freedom to be their own person (which is what they are the way the world is now, flawed as it is, PEOPLE- Human beings with emotions and thoughts and opinions) in order to solve global warming and war and other problems.
So basically you would take away everything that makes life worth living to ensure that people would get to just survive.
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Matt Bane (Taylor IN) wroteat 7:24pm on June 13th, 2008
Also, a little side note, with all of my opinions on the ethics of your ideas aside, I do not believe it would work. You can't just eliminate violence by exterminating everyone that you deem a threat. Even if you destroy everyone who "statistically" is more likely to commit violent crime or "genetically predisposed" toward violence based on research you would obviously conduct before cleaning up the streets, there would still be hate and anger between people that would lead to violence. While you tear families apart because parents aren't "smart enough" to raise their kids, the love they have for each other would lead at least the adults in the family to resist.
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Matt Bane (Taylor IN) wroteat 7:26pm on June 13th, 2008
But you could always just invent some drug that eliminates all human emotion... we'd be better off without those damn brutish animal impulses after all wouldn't we? Then everyone would mindlessly obey and mankinds problems would be over, global warming would end, we would all survive. But at the cost of everything that makes us people and makes life worth living. You'd eb alive but never love a woman, never know the joy of fathering a child, and never create anything meaningful that you take any pride in. So thanks for ending the world's problems...
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Nick P. wroteat 7:47pm on June 13th, 2008
Matt, this is a preliminary set up of a much grander scheme. The whole point of this plan is to show people that they aren't living their own lives. They are living as slaves to money, governmental control, and their untangled emotions. I'm not taking anything away from those that can prove through their contributions that they are indeed worthy to give the whole living freely value. If anything I would provide more reasons to make life worth living than people could imagine. I don't think "surviving" entails being some mindless zombie gear of a machine. I think in order to thrive and secure any sort of notable existence it will take a massive overhaul on what we consider the "right" way to be live as.
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Nick P. wroteat 7:53pm on June 13th, 2008
The plan is not to necessarily eliminate violence either Matt. I think you'd give me a little more credit about understanding how people behave. I don't believe there is ever an excuse from a "genetically predisposed" position because your genes don't make your decisions. Like I noted, violence is at an all time low in histories terms, I'm just shooting for as low as it can get. I don't think you can appreciate the effect really stupid parents have on their kids. It's not tearing families apart, its intervening in an all too common negative phenomenon. Don't get me started on what people consider "love" to be, especially in a dramatic family situation. To that I could only say again, your feelings wouldn't matter. I also noted that things would go back to normal once they proved they could take care of them.
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Nick P. wroteat 7:58pm on June 13th, 2008
Drugs that eliminate human emotion would only detract from what I want people to get out of life. I rather enjoy my contemptible animal impulses, and would live a rather meager existence without them. Global warming ending because people become zombies? I'm not sure how those ideas are connected. I never once said people wouldn't feel love, be able to have kids, and the whole point of the system would be to create as many meaningful and things to take pride in as possible. I'm glad you offered a strong negative opinion, but I feel I can either provide more clarification and/or you just took some points the wrong way.
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Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 8:11pm on June 13th, 2008
How the FUCK would you even survive without money? Please explain that shit because PEOPLE DON'T BETTER THEMSELVES BY BEING OPPRESSED, ROBBED, AND DOWNGRADED TO THE STATUS OF THOSE THAT DIDN'T OR COULDN'T!!
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Nick P. wroteat 8:12pm on June 13th, 2008
Byron and Bj, again this is due to my lack of being as specific as possible. This culture would exist in different terms than taxes/money. No, in today's society, some of the stuff is not feasible, let alone given the contingencies of our government before any progress is ever made. When I mean change, I mean massive change and when people finally "get it" it will not take a dictator for it to perpetuate. The way our government is set up now, people piss on their own liberties. What bigger dick up their ass could the poor ask for when they voted for Bush? If anything I will be providing people with more opportunities to get in tuned with what their civil liberties are, and how to preserve them. You wouldn't have to be so ballsy in your profession in this society Bj, the things you want will have a knack for finding you.
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Nick P. wroteat 8:18pm on June 13th, 2008
Getting smarter, providing for overburdened families, and utilizing those who've chosen to end their own prospects for freedom or happiness is not oppression. You want to scream the word robbed at me? Being "forced" to put something towards the betterment of society is not being downgraded. I said it in the note. If you can do something, you can do it without payment. This is a simple fact that green paper does not hinder what I'm capable of anymore than it does anybody else. You are getting too caught up in the failings of our current condition and not letting the potential of what I'm proposing sink in. The closest I can draw any sort of analogy would be to point you in the direction of bees or ants. And before I hear any obvious retorts to that analogy, I would urge you to better inform yourself about both societies.
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Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 2:05am on June 14th, 2008
You're right it wouldn't neccessiarily take a dictator, just mssive changes in our own government like you said. If it was up to me I would make it a dictatorial society, but that's just me (I would be high up in the food chain mind you, lol).
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Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 2:50am on June 14th, 2008
Byron, what's wrong with being low in the food chain? I mean, 100% of the people (of course the margin of error.) are at the bottom whenever there is a dictator. What's so bad with getting bitched out of your liberties? And Nick, what are you doing right now to contribute to the working poor? Are you growing food for them, building homes, or knitting some sweaters out of the kindness of your heart? (LMAO) And people are just going to give away the wants of society just as they would the needs!?
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Nick P. wroteat 3:07am on June 14th, 2008
Bj you misunderstand me again. This is my theoretical plan. I'm no humanitarian and would probably be subject to reconditioning myself. We all would. The working poor having just one more guy kind of helping them in our system wouldn't do shit enough in my opinion and your basically preaching to the point. Knitting sweaters, as fun as that is, doesn't help me nor them. In answer to your last question, yes. That is what the systems goal would be. Who capitalizes from electronics that cost hundreds less to make than buy? The "stuff" is out there, how we go about distributing it would be completely new. I'm not trying to be a martyr for something that people can barely comprehend at this point. What are you doing to not be poor? Is that honest or to the benefit of anyone but yourself? Anyone who argues against this line of reasoning automatically digs themselves a hypocritical hole. I never claimed to be above that hole, I'm merely proposing my ideas.
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Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 3:27am on June 14th, 2008
Who says most people would have to bottom of the food chain in dictator ship. There are many examples of flourishing dictatorships. South Korea flourished from 1848 threw the 1980's with their dictators Syngman Rhee, Park Chung-hee, and Chun Doo-hwan.Singapore also thrived from 1959 to 1990 under Lee Kuan Yew. And the best example of all is Spain with Fancisco Franco who was greatly loved and served his country from 1936 to 1975.There are many other benevolent dictators. but whether I lived in a country with a dictatorship or a democracy I would still want to be high on the food chain.
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Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 2:43pm on June 14th, 2008
I'm doing what I have to do to survive, that's my fucking point! I don't rely on shit from anybody else! Just as you say even, people are in control of their own destiny, and yes, people will fuck it up for themselves. And you're preaching hypotheticals, talking as if the system is foolproof like it won't be abused like some Pokemon cards... It's a dog-eat-dog world and noone's going to dumb themselves do to be another's worker bee! Haven't ya'll noticed Survival of the Fittest in nature? GTFO
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Nick P. wroteat 4:20pm on June 14th, 2008
You’re not making any sense. You don't need cameras and tvs to survive. Unfortunately people do not realize that they are not in control of their destinies. I don't know how the system would be run because we have a world full of people like you have zero idea how a give a get given society would ever thrive. You did exactly what I thought you would do and said people would have to get "dumb" when every last thing my note is about is getting better informed and better connected. And again, they wouldn't be doing it for some dictator, that's Byron's thing, they would be doing it for themselves keeping the rest of the world in the best possible shape as a byproduct. It's survival of the best adapted, and we are obviously not adapted to deal with our many issues both inner and outer. If you want to preach how awesome being poor and hopeless we are fine, but stop arguing if you’re not going to address any of the real points me and Byron have given you.
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Brian Morrow (Indiana State) wroteat 5:02pm on June 14th, 2008
I'm talking of the differences of wants and needs and it's a giant fucking gap! You notice how lower class culture spends a good deal of their earnings on shit they don't need? BTW, the wall fell down in the eighties, so tell me where the Soviets got it right. In your hypothetical society of just needs and nobody even striving for excellence, how will their be progress? What will be done in the event of disaster/emergency? And you're ready to give up your possesions, the stuff you had to earn?
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Nick P. wroteat 5:16pm on June 14th, 2008
What the hell are you talking about? You are arguing against the complete OPPOSITE of everything this society would stand for. The entire goal is progress, excellence, if not perfection. In the event of a disaster why wouldn't we respond the same ways we do now, but with more people, more focus, and quicker results. I again, never said ANYTHING about giving up your possessions and your pulling things out of the air to fight with me about. I'm not shooting to be a Soviet nor do I know the spending habits of the poor. Try quoting me or something so we talk about something I actually said and can back up.
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Byron R. Turner II (McKendree) wroteat 6:28pm on June 14th, 2008
Bj, I wish I had the time to write a full response to you but I have to work. Just to let you know the Soviets were Communist and no one has even mentioned this form of government in the debate and I'll tell you were the soviets got it right, they were able to pull a country that was completely in the shitter in to a world superpower, that's not to say they did in a perfect way or even the best way. But they did it none the less. Communism works well for countries that are in the shiter it stops working when the country has once again re stabilized and begins prospering.