Tuesday,
July 8, 2008 at 7:02am
Stupid
facebook made my last 5 notes private and I really wanted feedback on
this one.
It’s a dangerous thing when someone who was so
desperately controlled by their emotions tries to lead with their
brain. I just got into it with Tammi and wanted to know why she chose
to lie to me about giving control of the account I have set up for
school to my dad. First, she decided to say that she didn’t lie,
which is bullshit because I have the emails. Then she decided to say
that she simply changed her mind. This is a woman who got on me and
Josh endlessly about lying, and about how much easier our punishments
and lives would be if we didn’t lie to her. She is all of a sudden
allowed to lie to me when she thinks it is warranted. By the way,
this was not a civil conversation, but it could have been at a
whisper and nothing productive would have happened. She thinks that I
want her to crack under my will, that I want to break her down and
fit her into some framework I have about how things are supposed to
go. She says this is “exactly how you were when you were a little
kid.” It is entirely irrational for me to continue telling her this
is not the case, so I’m writing this as an appeal to those not
involved. When I took my “witchcraft” class and sent her the
email for just the amount I needed reimbursed, nothing more, this is
what she came back with .
“Unless you can explain how
studying witchcraft factors into getting a well-rounded academic
education, I can't justify reimbursing you for these books.”
My
first question to you is, does this sound like a respectful way to
inquire about my education? Now I came back at her with all my artful
ways of cussing and inventive analogies to help illuminate her
irrationality, but see I can recognize this an fully admit that I
will do that. The question about her statement remains. My
response.
“Excuse me? A 3 credit hour class that talks about
science and the occult isn't about learning to make spells for
christ's sake. Maybe you've heard of classes that are pre-reques for
different majors later as well? YOU AREN'T REIMBURSING ME. YOU DON'T
MATTER. It's not your money. Can you warn be before I send you
serious emails while your on the rag because I'm sick of these stupid
ass games you keep playing. You should see the wand I take to class
everyday....fuckin loon.”
Not to mention it was a 9 week
accelerated course as well. Her response.
“Nicholas:
I
asked a simple, direct question, to which you replied with vulgarity
and insults. As a paying parent, I have a right to know what you're
studying, as I'm responsible for seeing that your college funds are
appropriated prudently. Witchcraft is a prerequisite class for what
field of study?
In recent memory, I recall reimbursing you for
guitar lessons, martial arts attire and now this. All of these
"classes" mimic courses you could have taken for free or a
nominal fee at the local "Y" or library. It's evident
you're not taking your academic studies seriously. You have until the
end of this semester to get your act together or you'll be paying for
these ridiculous classes out your own pocket. Your choice.
You
know what you can do with your wand.
Mom”
Let me
point out the problems in her response, because at first glance you
might think she has a few points going for her. The first problem is
the first sentence. What seems like a simple and direct question was
accusing me of purposely degrading my education and a half threat.
The next problem is “As a paying parent.” This money, all of this
money, came from my dad almost dying on the job. She tried to tell me
that she was the one who fought for the money and wanted it
appropriated for school. Another blatant lie. Again, take note of the
next problem in her reference to the class as “witchcraft.”
Moving on, she says she reimbursed me for guitar lessons and martial
arts attire. Now these are classes offered by the university and in
need of work to get a good grade out of them. She thinks they can be
taken for a nominal fee or at the local Y or library? Our small
circle instructor wasn’t shy about telling us how much it would be
to take classes and it isn’t nominal nor cheaper than taking it
through IU. Maybe everyone hasn’t taken music lessons, but there is
a difference in what you learn when it’s through a teacher and when
it’s your buddy down the street. Furthermore, I had come to IU with
music planned as my second focus, which she was fully aware of, and
yet now taking a guitar class signifies that I’m not taking things
seriously.
I’m not going to reproduce all the emails here
where she’s gone off on some magical tangent about what I’m doing
with my life and how. What I can tell you if that throughout our back
and forth apparently I’ve managed to scare her family and make her
feel that I am not mentally healthy. All of which I can’t even be
angry at because I find them so ridiculous. Fun fact, her own sister
was getting abused by her husband for years and yet was sane and
“family” enough to come welcomed at family dinners and treated
like things were normal. Where’s the rational or justified action
in name of fear there? This woman thinks I want to crush her under my
will or something for the sake of control. I’m still trying to
figure out what she thinks I have control over. I can’t fuck up in
school or obvious issues arise. I wouldn’t blow money on arbitrary
things because again, obviously this would only cause unwanted
stress, work, and problems in my life. I don’t want to control her
because for years I’ve been telling her to LEAVE and not ever have
to bother with me again. But remember everyone, it’s my “choice”
if I want things to remain this way. When I asked her why she lied to
me about giving control of the account to my dad she said, “I
changed my mind.” When I say she’s playing the part of check
writer yet isn’t paying for the books I bought for my “witchcraft”
she says, “I reimburse you when I feel it’s
appropriate.”
Obviously ladies and gentlemen I’m a hate
filled, controlling, disrespectful, mentally unsound, and in need of
prayer atheist so I’m appealing to your assessment. I’m sending
her this blog, and I plan to send her your responses. I’m the type
of person that will reflect what I get from people. When she tries to
exude this controlling and irrational behavior over me, maybe it’s
just a coincidence that she’ll read that from our interactions
regardless if I’d like to keep it about the plain facts. So my
questions to you are:
Did her response to what I needed to be
reimbursed for sound respectful?
What am I trying to control?
What
points do you think I misrepresented or misread in her response to
me?
Also, please tell me how I’m supposed to be respectful,
what I call kissing the ass of, a woman who lies to me and slanders
my dad.
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Nick, I
think her response to you was a valid response. Ok, so maybe
she had the wrong view of what type of class it was that you
were taking, but she asked in a nice way how it was adding to
your education. I think you could've written her back a little
more nicely. But ok with her second response I could see how
that would make you mad. Yes, as a "parent" she has a
right to know what you're studying in college, but she has to
realize that you're what, almost 20? You can makes those kind
of decisions yourself about which classes you should take. She
shouldn't base her reimbursement off what she "thinks"
will be good for your education. I don't know what you're
trying to control. How to be respectful: don't use swear
words when replying to her. Give yourself a couple hours before
you write back and maybe you'll think it over and won't be so
angry later on. Don't always think that you're the one who's in
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Nick
P.
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7:27pm on July 8th, 2008
I think you
missed the part where she isn't paying for anything. I don't
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
8:03pm on July 8th, 2008
First off,
she needs to stop refering to it as Witchcraft. It's a class
studying (correct me if i'm wrong) the science and philosophy
behind how the occult got started, what it is today and why,
right? Not training to become an occultist or wizard. Your
learning history and philosophy, not spells and alchemy? Then
it's a valid prereq to philosophy classes.
Music and
martial arts... how are those NOT benefitial? First of all,
every degree requires so many electives.. your just knocked our
a couple with those classes, while bettering your creative mind
and your body.
Anyone who knows me knows how i feel
about lieing, but on the off chance your mother reads this i'll
let her know. All liars deserve to burn in hell (assuming it
exists). I would like nothing more then to be allowed to punch
anyone in the face the moment they told me a blatant lie, but
then you get sued for assault and i just don't have that kind
of money. On top of that, the hypocrisy involved in her getting
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
8:09pm on July 8th, 2008
...your
case about lieing is worse then the lieing itself. I know from
previous conversations your mothers a christian, so lets go to
the bible and ask Jesus what liars and hypocrites get... You go
ahead and find that verse, i don't have that kind of time. I do
recall a quite prominent verse, i believe goes something like
"Thou shalt not lie"..
..going back to my
previous comment about music and martial arts, the education
and discipline received in the university it far superior then
any volunteers at the local "Y" can give.. and you
let me know when the library starts holding martial arts and
music lessons..
If she's refusing to reimburse you when
it's not her money, i would go to whoever's money it is and by
pass the lying hypocrite all together.
In regards to her
sister who was abused, she's stupid for not leaving him, and
her husband deserves to be shot in the face. Nothing more to be
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
8:13pm on July 8th, 2008
As far as
how you're trying to control her and make her fit into some
kind of framework, i'm not seeing it. It looks to me like
you're simply bitching about how mindlessly retarded (i pray
she's offended by that) her comments are.
Now then, i've
supported your side of the argument so far, but i do think you
could at least start out your conversations more... uh.. i'd
say respectfully but that's not really what i'm going for..
just less offensive. I'm not saying you'd get better results,
but at least start out that way and if and when you get the
same stupid comments (witchcraft, wasting your life, mentally
ill...) it's more understandable to be disrespectful and pissed
off. For instance, instead of starting off "Excuse me? A 3
credit hour class that talks about science and the occult isn't
about learning to make spells for christ's sake. Maybe you've
heard of classes that are pre-reques for different majors later
as well? YOU AREN'T REIMBURSING ME. YOU DON'T MATTER." |
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
8:15pm on July 8th, 2008
Starting
off like: "Look, it was not a witchcraft class. It was
a prereq to philosophy, it was studying the history and
philosophy of what the occult IS.. not spellcasting and demon
worship. Promise. I'll give you phone numbers, contacts, and
paperwork from the class as proof if you need it. Just write
the check for my books." Might be a little more
effective.. if it didn't work, well you can't get much more
logical so throw it out the window and go for an all out verbal
assault. |
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Nick
P.
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8:28pm on July 8th, 2008
The process
went something like this Mr. Bowman. It started out me scanning
receipts and her sending me the money. Sometime amidst this
process we started exchanging more than "you owe me this"
and "i've sent you that." This is when I took my
dad's advice to just send her a dollar amount and receipt,
nothing more. When I try this is when she decides to enter me
into this battle. Like I put in the note "When she feels
its appropriate" is when I'll get reimbursed. She
suggested that I just take out student loans and just get one
lump sum when I graduate, you know, so she can pick and choose
which things were class oriented and leave me with a bigger
hole in my pocket. This is a woman who's every comment has the
air of "I'm not really asking this question, I'm demanding
you tell me, and woe to you if you choose to fight back." |
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
8:32pm on July 8th, 2008
I see..
well, be that as it may.. even when you engage in this fight,
you could at least start out a little less hostile. I don't
know the whole history of it, and it looks like you wouldn't
get any better results but.. you asked for comments |
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Nick
P.
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8:36pm on July 8th, 2008
and those
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First off,
I mean no offense, but she's the definition of a fucking
crackpot.
I want to ask her, "How is he controlling
you by taking the classes he finds interesting? The point of
college to learn what you want, not be drilled the same
mindless crap through K-12." You're doing what every other
college student in America, if not the entire world, does.
I'm going to recommend going straight to your dad to
discuss this. It's his money, he can take her off the account,
can't he? Or at least withdraw enough for your education to
keep it safe.
Bowman pretty much summed it all up.
Except the being hostile part. I'd say it was appropriate.
She's been fucking you over for a while, it seems. I'm
surprised you kept it as civilized as you did.
You're a
damn smart guy. I'd just keep going at her to get whatever you
can out of her. If needed, go for some student loans. I see no
problem in a person like you being able to pay them back when
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
8:57pm on July 8th, 2008
..Or
sending her the dollar amount and receipts for those loans, +
interest. No need send her what you spent them on, they were
student loans. They of course went toward your education... :) |
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Nick
P.
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9:02pm on July 8th, 2008
I'm not
sure what happened in the court room, but she managed to get
her name as the sole controller of the funds. I quite literally
have no recourse, I'm just making the case to her that I'm not
the only one who sees things this way. |
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
9:06pm on July 8th, 2008
Did she
blow the judge? I should probably apologize for that before i
get sued.. by her and the judge.... meh, freedom of speech |
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Woah woah,
shes the only one who has control over that money now? That
complicates it a bit. I like bowman's idea. Get the loans, and
sending her the loan statements for reimbursing. Too bad that
probably won't fly with her, the way it sounds. She'll end up
still wanting to know how the loan money was spent. Quite the
tricky situation...
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
6:52am on July 9th, 2008
Can you
appeal to the courts? I mean, if this crap continues.. i would |
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He'd
basically have to sue his mom, which involves hiring a lawyer,
and collecting written proof that she was going to reimburse
him.
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
2:06pm on July 9th, 2008
Perhaps, or
perhaps according to the previous court thing there's something
that says she has to reimburse him for his education that he
can just point to and say "Here's the damn law that says
she's gota pay me".. which is why i phrased it in the form
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Nick
P.
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3:14pm on July 9th, 2008
She says
that she wishes I would sue her so she can show the courts all
the things I've said to her in the past and explain what an
ungrateful little bastard I am.
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Sorry mr.
bowman, but there really isn't a law which requires parents to
pay for their kid's education. Well, for college anyway. I
don't know if verbal agreements are acceptable in court in
Indiana, I think they are, but don't quote me on that. If they
are, you might have a chance in court for
reimbursing.
Unfortunately, Mr P. is right. She's
probably keeping everything he's said and is saying for
evidence, which will hurt him in court. Depending on the judge,
he'd either say "by law, you entered a verbal contract,
blah blah blah" (assuming verbal agreements are accepted),
or he'll be like "you're an ungrateful little bastard like
she says."
You need to figure out if verbal
contracts are valid in court in Indiana (preferably your local
laws, but most likely Indiana. Merrillville is in Indiana,
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
6:28pm on July 9th, 2008
Actually
there are under some circumstances.. a couple of my friends
have issues like that.. their parents are split and the court
ordered her dad to pay so much of her tuition or
something...
I studied business law my senior year..
from what i remember verbal contracts are legal in all states,
but hard to hold up.. since i doubt they're more evidence of
what they said then he-said she-said, and if she's lied once
why wouldn't she deny ever having made a contract...
anyway
i wouldn't suggest sueing over this.. it was just a thought
about the previous court ruling and what precisely it says |
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Nick
P.
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6:44pm on July 9th, 2008
The money
that's put away was specifically put away in a college fund and
draw up to be legally only allowed to be spent on school. She
has taken the liberty of deciding what "for school"
really means. I look at it like this. I have
freedom of speech. I can say whatever the hell I want about and
to her, and yes I've been careful not to make any death
threats, the payment is independent of that. If I don't cater
to her feelings, all of a sudden I'm not taking school
seriously. My only real chance is for her to royally and
blatantly deny me something I'm owed and then have my dad step
in. All of this time consuming and usually costly. Remember
guys, I've been on this train for a while now, I was more
looking just to confirm that I'm not insane for thinking the
way I do about her, because me simply telling her this fact is
just "typical" of my offensive demeanor.
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Billy
Bowman
(Bloomington, IN) wroteat
6:54pm on July 9th, 2008
Right, we
seem to have goten off subject.. well my original posts reflect
what you asked for
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Hmm, well,
you're definitely not insane. She's the insane one, IMO. |
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